le soleil n'est pas mon meilleur ami

[tuchiana]

coucou ptit_gars,

je viens de te poser une question sur la presentation de map: est-ce que ta vitamine K2 est a la base de natto ? j'en cherche desesperement sans soja

[un_ptit_gars]

coucou ptit_gars,

je viens de te poser une question sur la presentation de map: est-ce que ta vitamine K2 est a la base de natto ? j'en cherche desesperement sans soja

Et oui malheureusement je ne te serais pas d'un grand secours car celle que je prend est bien a base de natto... as tu regardé sur iherb par exemple pour comparer entre les différentes marques? Y en a peut-etre une qui est a base d'autre chose...?

Pti gars

[tuchiana]

bonjour ceux qui cherchent des infos pratiques sur la candidose chronique,

voici un site extremement utile, avec beaucoup d'infos et conseils pratiques:

http://www.clubequilibrenaturel.com/cat ... ification/

http://www.clubequilibrenaturel.com/med ... ection.mp3

[tuchiana]

bonjour tout le monde,

est-ce que qqn a deja vu un specialiste en biokinergie ? est-ce que ca marche ?

voici un lien pour info:

http://www.mk-biokinergie.org/index.php/la-biokinergie

[un_ptit_gars]

Salut Tuchiana,

Moi je ne connais que de nom, je n'ai jamais essayé... sur le principe ça a l'air intéréssant, donc si jamais tu venais a essayer, on attend tes retours

Pti gars

[tuchiana]

voici une video sur le sujet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8FfRiPzI6k

ca a l'air vraiment interessant

[tuchiana]

betterhealthguy

"Trevor Marshall speaks mostly in China and Europe. Dr. Fein finds that the ratio of 1,25 to 25 Vitamin D holds up as an inflammatory marker. If ratio > 1.5, this is associated with an underlying infection. As people treat, the ratio becomes normal over time. As 1,25 goes up, inflammation goes up. The ratio can be monitored as an inflammatory marker."

[un_ptit_gars]

betterhealthguy

"Trevor Marshall speaks mostly in China and Europe. Dr. Fein finds that the ratio of 1,25 to 25 Vitamin D holds up as an inflammatory marker. If ratio > 1.5, this is associated with an underlying infection. As people treat, the ratio becomes normal over time. As 1,25 goes up, inflammation goes up. The ratio can be monitored as an inflammatory marker."

Et oh tuchiana, tu arrête de dire en exclusivité des trucs comme ça! C'est sensé etre expliqué dans le chapitre 3 de l'E-book ça....m'enlève pas tout l'effet de surprise!

Pti gars

[jibouille]

c'est exprimé en quelles valeurs ce ratio?

[tuchiana]

betterhealthguy

"Trevor Marshall speaks mostly in China and Europe. Dr. Fein finds that the ratio of 1,25 to 25 Vitamin D holds up as an inflammatory marker. If ratio > 1.5, this is associated with an underlying infection. As people treat, the ratio becomes normal over time. As 1,25 goes up, inflammation goes up. The ratio can be monitored as an inflammatory marker."

Et oh tuchiana, tu arrête de dire en exclusivité des trucs comme ça! C'est sensé etre expliqué dans le chapitre 3 de l'E-book ça....m'enlève pas tout l'effet de surprise!

Pti gars

desolee ptit_gars, ca n'a pas ete fait expes, j'ai trouve ca tres interessant car j'en suis concernee et je l'ai mis dans ma presentation pour moi sans aucun cmmentaire, j'ai juste fait un copier-coller d'un texte d'un lien donne par map

[tuchiana]

c'est exprimé en quelles valeurs ce ratio?

la je bloque, jibouille, la 25 s'exprime en ng/ml et la 1,25 est en ng/l ou pg/ml
on va attendre donc le chapitre correspondant de l'e-book de ptit-gars et laissons lui le plaisir de nous expliquer ce ratio correctement ca se pourrait alors que je n'en sois pas concernee
en juillet 2012 mes 2 vitamines D etaient comme suit:
- la 25: 16 ng/ml
- la 1,25: 80 pg/ml ou ng/l (hors norme)

[jibouille]

ah oui c'est ça mais moi sur mon analyse de sang il n'est dosé que la 25 apparemment...(dosage de la vitamine D2/D3 (25 (OH) - vitamine D)

[un_ptit_gars]

En fait le ratio se calcule sur des unités différentes...je sais c'est bizarre comme concept, mai c'est comme ça

Voila des infos:

In refractory cases of Sarcoidosis, the production of 1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D is essentially unregulated, and there is an extremely active hydroxylase biochemistry within the granuloma. Any 25-hydroxyvitamin D resulting from sunlight exposure or dietary supplement is vigorously converted into the active hormone within the inflammatory granuloma. This results in sarcoid patients typically having lower values of serum 25-hydroxyvitamin D than normals.

We have developed the D-Ratio:

Serum 1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D (pg/ml)
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Serum 25-hydroxyvitamin D (ng/ml)

to reflect the activity of the 25-OH-D-1-hydroxylase4 in the inflamed tissue. We use a D-Ratio of 1.25 as the normal mean, with a 0.5 standard deviation. Sarcoid patients, typically have D-Ratios above 4.0 and are thus sensitive to dietary Vitamin D and extremely sensitive to sunlight. D-Ratios less than 2.5 indicate that inflammatory production of 1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D is approaching ‘normal’, and that renal control is returning. The patient is approaching remission from the run-away inflammation of sarcoidosis.

Interpreting the Patient’s D-Ratio data

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All these patients present with fatigue and paresthesia, together with a sampling of other symptoms of Hypervitaminosis D. Based on data from the Danish population study5, we use a value of 25 pg/ml for the 1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D population mean, and a 9.5 Standard Deviation. Four of the patients had 1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D values in the top percentile of the population (99% of the population would have lower values).

Patient A had been on 5mg of prednisone daily for two years. Although the corticosteroid had effectively eliminated the serum ACE, it had not been so effective at reducing the extra-renal production of 1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D.

Patient B had an ACE value which was low-to-normal, regardless of ACE genotype, and a ratio of 1.29, which also indicated minimal inflammation. The symptomatic Hypervitaminosis D was due to Vitamin D supplementation within a Calcium preparation which had been prescribed for this patient’s osteoporosis.

Patients C,D and E all have high D-Ratios. Patient E had been counseled about exposure to sunlight, and, although still intermittently symptomatic with Hypervitaminosis D, had clearly managed to minimize those symptoms by reducing her 25-hydroxyvitamin D production. As a result, her 1,25-dihydroxvitamin D assay was essentially normal even though the high D-Ratio indicates significant granulomatous activity.

Bacteria induce Sarcoid Inflammation

For nearly a century, optical microscopy has allowed us to observe the non-necrotic granuloma of Sarcoidosis, but we found nothing that would induce the macrophage biochemistry to produce the excessive 1,25-dihydroxyvitamin-D levels which perpetuate the sarcoid granuloma. Recently, ‘Rickettsia Helvetica’ (gram-negative) bacteria have been found in biopsy samples from Swedish sarcoid patients8. Electron microscopy of the Rickettsia bacteria, at an 84,000 magnification, has shown that this bacteria can live and multiply within the cells of sarcoid granuloma8, one of the most inhospitable environments in the body. Whenever pathology indicates some ‘empty’ granuloma we should now assume a bacterial pathogenesis.

Therefore, as part of any treatment regimen for sarcoidosis, it is essential to ensure that all possibility of gram-negative bacteria living in the granulomatous tissue has been precluded. We have found the careful use of non-generic low-dose Minocin9 in combination with high-dose ARB therapy1 represents an appropriate intervention.

[un_ptit_gars]

en juillet 2012 mes 2 vitamines D etaient comme suit:
- la 25: 16 ng/ml
- la 1,25: 80 pg/ml ou ng/l (hors norme)

Ton ratio est carrément élevé tuchiana, ce qui va dans le sens d'une inflammation non maitrisée, et potentiellement d'une "sarcoidose".

Pti gars

[tuchiana]

еh, ptit_gars, je fais quoi alors ? mille et un diagnostics
chaque descente de la D25 au dessous de 13 serait-elle un risque de sarcoidose ? quand je regarde les references de la D1,25 (20-60) c'est facile a calculer que la valeur basse de 20 de la D1,25 donne un ratio d'environ 1.5 avec une valeur de 13 de la D25.
est-ce que je me trompe ?